Hey all,
I'm trying to pick some times for a meeting to discuss the current state
of the Identity Python documentation.
https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aQjjKW5b
Best wishes,
Matthew
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Attendees: Johan W, Shayna, Ivan
0 - Agenda bash
1 - Project review
a. General -
b. OIDC libraries - https://github.com/IdentityPython (idpy-oidc,
JWTConnect-Python-CryptoJWT, etc)
- Ivan chatted with Roland and people from SUNET about the things Roland
has split up into multiple MRs, related to wallets and
federation. This way
they can be reviewed and incorporated slowly into the
idpy-oidc library.
- This work is needed by some people sooner - so need to create a
release from a branch which will be marked as a
development release- e.g.
5.1.dev0.
- This will be considered a pre-release. Regular users will not
get it unless they explicitly request it using a specific flag or
installation (e.g., pip install idpy-oidc=xxxx)
- some things currently in the library may break as part of
this pre-release- tests cannot cover all edge cases
c. Satosa - https://github.com/IdentityPython/SATOSA
- Still trying to get the release out - sometime today hopefully? Will
contact Matthew after tagging and posting to pypi, to address
changes for
the container image due to the loss of samltest.id
- would like to transition to use Poetry like pySAML2 does- makes
it easier to package releases, do version bumps, etc.
d. pySAML2 - https://github.com/IdentityPython/pysaml2
- local cleanup, revamping of dependencies coming up
e. Any other project (pyFF, djangosaml2, pyMDOC-CBOR, etc)
2 - AOB
- Next meeting will be 8 January 2025. Happy Holidays!
*Idpy meeting 20 November 2024*
Attendees: Johan W, Johan L, Shayna, Ivan, Roland, Hannah S, Ali H, Mikael F
0 - Agenda bash
1 - Project review
a. General -
b. OIDC libraries - https://github.com/IdentityPython (idpy-oidc,
JWTConnect-Python-CryptoJWT, etc)
- Roland's big PR - lots of changes to idpyoidc. He will divide into
smaller chunks and issue as PRs.
- upcoming work on audience policies - GRnet
c. Satosa - https://github.com/IdentityPython/SATOSA
- Ivan has prepared new patches/releases - haven't posted but has the
tags locally. Will announce on slack when the new version is available.
- plan to merge in stages
- Ivan has been getting requests to easily setup an environment to
run satosa and run it locally. He has been thinking about doing something
similar to the reflector backend (the reflector backend, instead of going
out to a actual idp, immediately creates a payload and returns a
response).
To start the flow we need a service - create something like the reflector
backend which will act as a frontend. It will directly trigger a
flow when
you try to access it, and once it gets a response it will just show the
response. Then we don't need to involve any other service that acts as an
SP or IdP. Can configure how we want IdP to behave. Frederik from Umea
Universitat - plugin that displayed a page and allowed you to insert your
own values for attributes; it also created several profiles.
Would like to
try and build on this.
- Single logout discussion with Hannah Sebuliba
- Met with Ivan and Ali in January 2024 to try and merge the work she
had done into Satosa. There are some conflicts and Hannah would like
guidance how to proceed.
- In provious discussions, the recommendation was to hide the
single logout capabilities behind a flag in order to control
when they are
enabled, so that changes will not affect existing workflows.
This allows
merging without breaking, and testing and testing and fixing
things as we
go along. Then when everything looks good, either remove the
flag, or keep
it so people have the option to enable or disable the feature.
- Important to document what the new features are - what bindings
are supported, what the checks that are implemented actually
do, verify
messages, signatures, and identifiers within logout request
and response
messages.
- The most important thing is to record what we do with the state.
To support logout we need to keep state, The state has to do with the
sessions, the identifiers of the users, and the identifiers
of requests
that came in and correspond to the logout message. Also
allows us to avoid
attacks where someone could send logout requests using an
identifier they
found somewhere.
- It would be good to update the state diagrams
- Hannah felt an important idea was to move the session handling
to SATOSA rather than SAML ends - this is under discussion
- Ali's work has the storage within SATOSA - some parts of the
storage are in the frontend or backend. There is a map
between frontends
and backends connecting the session. The logout request should not be
specific to only one protocol. This required the session to
be kept within
SATOSA. Currently Ali's work supports Postgres. Can add other
adapters.
Also has the logout enabled flag.
- There are differences in the work Ali and Hannah have done, not
just the protocol but also the flow itself. Hannah has worked on SP
initiated logout - with SAML SPs and only logs out SAML IdPs.
It will not
log out OIDC-based IdPs. Ali worked on the OP initiated
logout. Even so,
the requirements and the state that needs to be kept are very similar.
- Need to get back to original code and review it. Should be able
to merge PRs independently, as long as they are behind the
feature flag.
Storage - abstract managed by the proxy and not related to
the protocols
directly. This will add some complexity before and can be
messy. Ivan is
not totally sure this is the right way. If code is kept
isolated, should
work.
- There was some discussion on 1) whether the flag should be the
same or separate for each protocol. Ivan seemed to think it
should be the
same overall. 2) Whether the logout should work for both protocols (no
matter which protocol initiates the logout, SPs and IdPs from both
protocols are logged out). Ivan thinks eventually it should
work this way
but initially each developer should focus on the protocol
they have been
working with.
- Hannah asks are there any services to use as test RP/OP? At one
time Ivan had done someting simple with Apache module -
modauth openidc
https://github.com/OpenIDC/mod_auth_openidc. Ivan doesn't think
she should worry about that right now. Merge the initial
patches and then
worry about oidc.
d. pySAML2 - https://github.com/IdentityPython/pysaml2
e. Any other project (pyFF, djangosaml2, pyMDOC-CBOR, etc)
- new release coming that will allow filtering of idps based on trust
authority. Discovery service parts are being tested right now.
- two phases - information processed by pyff - produces artifacts
that are fed into thiss-ds and are searchable by users.
- maybe there can be an information session on this during a
future meeting.
2 - AOB
- Roland has big demo on digital wallet coming up in Paris.
- He has created a document with Giuseppe about profiling the federation
specification.
*Idpy meeting 6 November 2024*
Attendees: Johan W, Johan L, Shayna, Ivan, Matthew E.
0 - Agenda bash
1 - Project review
a. General -
b. OIDC libraries - https://github.com/IdentityPython (idpy-oidc,
JWTConnect-Python-CryptoJWT, etc)
- error handling of certain requests, for example, refresh token grant -
refresh token param was missing, fixed now and merged.
- new capability to set lifetime of id token per client has also
been merged
- more fixes for resource indicators specification limitation will
happen soon
- might add hook to change responses in case there is a need to do
filtering or add more data to responses outside of idpy-oidc,
for example
information stored in remote databases; remote data providers.
- Roland is working on another big PR through his work on wallets.
- Ivan worked on pyop to include the latest MRs for new release
(released 3.4.2)
c. Satosa - https://github.com/IdentityPython/SATOSA
- creating a new release with what is there now and then continuing with
the plan that has been set out, merging MRs and releasing in stages
(plugins next, then typings of entity categories, etc).
- update image after release - taking out all of the samltest.id
configuration.
d. pySAML2 - https://github.com/IdentityPython/pysaml2
- No updates
e. Any other project (pyFF, djangosaml2, pyMDOC-CBOR, etc)
- new release of pyff imminent?- trust info profiles- corresponding
updates on thiss-mdq. Mykal Frykholm will be working on pyff
maintenance
more.
2 - AOB
- Single logout to be a focus of next meeting on 20 November (involving
Hannah, Matthew and Ivan).
- invite Mikael Frykholm to these meetings
Attendees: Johan W, Johan L, Shayna, Roland, Hannah S
0 - Agenda bash
1 - Project review
a. General -
b. OIDC libraries - https://github.com/IdentityPython (idpy-oidc,
JWTConnect-Python-CryptoJWT, etc)
- Roland has been working with digital wallets - changes in idpy-oidc
- assumed identity had one role at a time, but openid federation does
away with that - can be many things at the same time - e.g.
oauth client
and oidc RP at the same time
- had to go back through code to cope with this - especially when
dealing with metadata, registering what happens in both the
cases above;
how to deal with registering both with an AS and an OP (how
to deal wth
things like provider information)
- changes in wallet system creates changes in the foundation
- At the end of November, there will be a demo in Paris with
social security information - 10 different countries will all
be demoing
the same thing. One wallet, 10 different information providers.
- starting today they are to deliver docker containers
- they will set up trust layer/wallet provider - Greek wwWallet
- built in cooperation with gunet, sunet and yubikey
- Germany is participating - they are not fond of openid
federation and want the trust layer to be different.
- Sweden is not involved.
c. Satosa - https://github.com/IdentityPython/SATOSA
- SATOSA doesn't always do what Roland expects as he's working with it
- Hannah would like to get Single logout back on the front burner and
figure out logistics between herself, Ali, Ivan and Matthew to make it
happen.
d. pySAML2 - https://github.com/IdentityPython/pysaml2
e. Any other project (pyFF, djangosaml2, pyMDOC-CBOR, etc)
- Mikael Frykholm from Sunet is working to take over as program manager
for pyff.- a new release is expected soon.
- Roland plans to retire at the end of this year - there is work to
gather people to take over his work.
2 - AOB
a. New time - Wednesdays at 7:00 am Eastern time. Need to make sure this
does not conflict with the meeting that Johan L, Johan W and Ivan have with
Leif on the last Wednesday of every month. Next meeting will be 6 November,
then every two weeks through the end of the year. Will restart on 8 January
in 2025.
