10 a.m.
Hi all,
How appropriate that we are back in Austria, which is where we last had serious
conversations about Satosa governance! Because we had a few actions out of that earlier
meeting that we need to follow up on.
Governance questions for Satosa:
* IPR needs to be sorted out (who will hold it?)
* CLAs need to be in place
* Re-license if required
Since many of the folks from the last meeting are here, how about finding a few minutes to
meet on the above? Prioritization to the IPR question (since it is top of the list, and
the other things fall from it).
What time(s) do people have available tomorrow (Wednesday)?
-Heather
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10:07 a.m.
Hi Heather,
Great idea. I would prefer sometime in the 9.00-10.30 session but I don't really mind
if any other time is more appropriate.
Ioannis
-------- Original Message --------
From: heather flanagan <hlflanagan at gmail.com>
Sent: Tue May 30 12:00:20 GMT+02:00 2017
To: satosa-dev at lists.sunet.se
Subject: [Satosa-dev] Satosa governance meeting at TNC?
Hi all,
How appropriate that we are back in Austria, which is where we last had serious
conversations about Satosa governance! Because we had a few actions out of that earlier
meeting that we need to follow up on.
Governance questions for Satosa:
* IPR needs to be sorted out (who will hold it?)
* CLAs need to be in place
* Re-license if required
Since many of the folks from the last meeting are here, how about finding a few minutes to
meet on the above? Prioritization to the IPR question (since it is top of the list, and
the other things fall from it).
What time(s) do people have available tomorrow (Wednesday)?
-Heather
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10:17 a.m.
Hi Ioannis,
I'd actually like to go to that session, and oddly enough the entire rest of the day
is free for me. Do you all tend to go to Plenary?
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On May 30, 2017, at 12:07, Ioannis Kakavas
<ikakavas at noc.grnet.gr> wrote:
Hi Heather,
Great idea. I would prefer sometime in the 9.00-10.30 session but I don't really
mind if any other time is more appropriate.
Ioannis
-------- Original Message --------
From: heather flanagan <hlflanagan at gmail.com>
Sent: Tue May 30 12:00:20 GMT+02:00 2017
To: satosa-dev at lists.sunet.se
Subject: [Satosa-dev] Satosa governance meeting at TNC?
Hi all,
How appropriate that we are back in Austria, which is where we last had serious
conversations about Satosa governance! Because we had a few actions out of that earlier
meeting that we need to follow up on.
Governance questions for Satosa:
* IPR needs to be sorted out (who will hold it?)
* CLAs need to be in place
* Re-license if required
Since many of the folks from the last meeting are here, how about finding a few minutes
to meet on the above? Prioritization to the IPR question (since it is top of the list, and
the other things fall from it).
What time(s) do people have available tomorrow (Wednesday)?
-Heather
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10:52 a.m.
May I propose we meet during the wednesday plenary, which seems to be
all about networking..
On 30-05-17 12:17, heather flanagan wrote:
Hi Ioannis,
I'd actually like to go to that session, and oddly enough the entire rest of the day
is free for me. Do you all tend to go to Plenary?
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On May 30, 2017, at 12:07, Ioannis Kakavas
<ikakavas at noc.grnet.gr> wrote:
Hi Heather,
Great idea. I would prefer sometime in the 9.00-10.30 session but I don't really
mind if any other time is more appropriate.
Ioannis
-------- Original Message --------
From: heather flanagan <hlflanagan at gmail.com>
Sent: Tue May 30 12:00:20 GMT+02:00 2017
To: satosa-dev at lists.sunet.se
Subject: [Satosa-dev] Satosa governance meeting at TNC?
Hi all,
How appropriate that we are back in Austria, which is where we last had serious
conversations about Satosa governance! Because we had a few actions out of that earlier
meeting that we need to follow up on.
Governance questions for Satosa:
* IPR needs to be sorted out (who will hold it?)
* CLAs need to be in place
* Re-license if required
Since many of the folks from the last meeting are here, how about finding a few minutes
to meet on the above? Prioritization to the IPR question (since it is top of the list, and
the other things fall from it).
What time(s) do people have available tomorrow (Wednesday)?
-Heather
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11:16 a.m.
Fine by me
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Sent: Tue May 30 12:52:49 GMT+02:00 2017
To: satosa-dev at lists.sunet.se
Subject: Re: [Satosa-dev] Satosa governance meeting at TNC?
May I propose we meet during the wednesday plenary, which seems to be
all about networking..
On 30-05-17 12:17, heather flanagan wrote:
Hi Ioannis,
I'd actually like to go to that session, and oddly enough the entire rest of the day
is free for me. Do you all tend to go to Plenary?
Sent from my iPad
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Mob: +31 651347657 | Skype: cdr-80 | PGP Key ID: 0xDE7BB2F5
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On May 30, 2017, at 12:07, Ioannis Kakavas
<ikakavas at noc.grnet.gr> wrote:
Hi Heather,
Great idea. I would prefer sometime in the 9.00-10.30 session but I don't really
mind if any other time is more appropriate.
Ioannis
-------- Original Message --------
From: heather flanagan <hlflanagan at gmail.com>
Sent: Tue May 30 12:00:20 GMT+02:00 2017
To: satosa-dev at lists.sunet.se
Subject: [Satosa-dev] Satosa governance meeting at TNC?
Hi all,
How appropriate that we are back in Austria, which is where we last had serious
conversations about Satosa governance! Because we had a few actions out of that earlier
meeting that we need to follow up on.
Governance questions for Satosa:
* IPR needs to be sorted out (who will hold it?)
* CLAs need to be in place
* Re-license if required
Since many of the folks from the last meeting are here, how about finding a few minutes
to meet on the above? Prioritization to the IPR question (since it is top of the list, and
the other things fall from it).
What time(s) do people have available tomorrow (Wednesday)?
-Heather
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11:42 a.m.
Perfect. Let's start gathering near the conference registration desk during the 10:30
break. The lunch area is cooler when it isn't full of people, so that might be a
reasonable place to hold our meeting.
-Heather
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On May 30, 2017, at 13:16, Ioannis Kakavas
<ikakavas at noc.grnet.gr> wrote:
Fine by me
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-------- Original Message --------
From: Niels van Dijk <niels.vandijk at surfnet.nl>
Sent: Tue May 30 12:52:49 GMT+02:00 2017
To: satosa-dev at lists.sunet.se
Subject: Re: [Satosa-dev] Satosa governance meeting at TNC?
May I propose we meet during the wednesday plenary, which seems to be
all about networking..
On 30-05-17 12:17, heather flanagan wrote:
Hi Ioannis,
I'd actually like to go to that session, and oddly enough the entire rest of the day
is free for me. Do you all tend to go to Plenary?
Sent from my iPad
--
Niels van Dijk Technical Product Manager Trust & Security
Mob: +31 651347657 | Skype: cdr-80 | PGP Key ID: 0xDE7BB2F5
SURFnet BV | PO.Box 19035 | NL-3501 DA Utrecht | The Netherlands
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https://lists.sunet.se/listinfo/satosa-dev On May 30, 2017, at 12:07, Ioannis Kakavas
<ikakavas at noc.grnet.gr> wrote:
Hi Heather,
Great idea. I would prefer sometime in the 9.00-10.30 session but I don't really
mind if any other time is more appropriate.
Ioannis
-------- Original Message --------
From: heather flanagan <hlflanagan at gmail.com>
Sent: Tue May 30 12:00:20 GMT+02:00 2017
To: satosa-dev at lists.sunet.se
Subject: [Satosa-dev] Satosa governance meeting at TNC?
Hi all,
How appropriate that we are back in Austria, which is where we last had serious
conversations about Satosa governance! Because we had a few actions out of that earlier
meeting that we need to follow up on.
Governance questions for Satosa:
* IPR needs to be sorted out (who will hold it?)
* CLAs need to be in place
* Re-license if required
Since many of the folks from the last meeting are here, how about finding a few minutes
to meet on the above? Prioritization to the IPR question (since it is top of the list, and
the other things fall from it).
What time(s) do people have available tomorrow (Wednesday)?
-Heather
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11:29 a.m.
Works for me
On 30 May 2017, at 12:52, Niels van Dijk
<niels.vandijk at surfnet.nl> wrote:
May I propose we meet during the wednesday plenary, which seems to be
all about networking..
On 30-05-17 12:17, heather flanagan wrote:
Hi Ioannis,
I'd actually like to go to that session, and oddly enough the entire rest of the day
is free for me. Do you all tend to go to Plenary?
Sent from my iPad
--
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Mob: +31 651347657 | Skype: cdr-80 | PGP Key ID: 0xDE7BB2F5
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https://lists.sunet.se/listinfo/satosa-dev On May 30, 2017, at 12:07, Ioannis Kakavas
<ikakavas at noc.grnet.gr> wrote:
Hi Heather,
Great idea. I would prefer sometime in the 9.00-10.30 session but I don't really
mind if any other time is more appropriate.
Ioannis
-------- Original Message --------
From: heather flanagan <hlflanagan at gmail.com>
Sent: Tue May 30 12:00:20 GMT+02:00 2017
To: satosa-dev at lists.sunet.se
Subject: [Satosa-dev] Satosa governance meeting at TNC?
Hi all,
How appropriate that we are back in Austria, which is where we last had serious
conversations about Satosa governance! Because we had a few actions out of that earlier
meeting that we need to follow up on.
Governance questions for Satosa:
* IPR needs to be sorted out (who will hold it?)
* CLAs need to be in place
* Re-license if required
Since many of the folks from the last meeting are here, how about finding a few minutes
to meet on the above? Prioritization to the IPR question (since it is top of the list, and
the other things fall from it).
What time(s) do people have available tomorrow (Wednesday)?
-Heather
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11:39 a.m.
+1
On 5/30/17 1:29 PM, Roland Hedberg wrote:
Works for me
On 30 May 2017, at 12:52, Niels van Dijk
<niels.vandijk at surfnet.nl> wrote:
May I propose we meet during the wednesday plenary, which seems to be
all about networking..
On 30-05-17 12:17, heather flanagan wrote:
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https://lists.sunet.se/listinfo/satosa-dev Hi Ioannis,
I'd actually like to go to that session, and oddly enough the entire rest of the day
is free for me. Do you all tend to go to Plenary?
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https://lists.sunet.se/listinfo/satosa-dev On May 30, 2017, at 12:07, Ioannis Kakavas
<ikakavas at noc.grnet.gr> wrote:
Hi Heather,
Great idea. I would prefer sometime in the 9.00-10.30 session but I don't really
mind if any other time is more appropriate.
Ioannis
-------- Original Message --------
From: heather flanagan <hlflanagan at gmail.com>
Sent: Tue May 30 12:00:20 GMT+02:00 2017
To: satosa-dev at lists.sunet.se
Subject: [Satosa-dev] Satosa governance meeting at TNC?
Hi all,
How appropriate that we are back in Austria, which is where we last had serious
conversations about Satosa governance! Because we had a few actions out of that earlier
meeting that we need to follow up on.
Governance questions for Satosa:
* IPR needs to be sorted out (who will hold it?)
* CLAs need to be in place
* Re-license if required
Since many of the folks from the last meeting are here, how about finding a few minutes
to meet on the above? Prioritization to the IPR question (since it is top of the list, and
the other things fall from it).
What time(s) do people have available tomorrow (Wednesday)?
-Heather
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11:49 a.m.
+1
Am 30.05.2017 um 12:52 schrieb Niels van Dijk
<niels.vandijk at surfnet.nl>:
May I propose we meet during the wednesday plenary, which seems to be
all about networking..
On 30-05-17 12:17, heather flanagan wrote:
Hi Ioannis,
I'd actually like to go to that session, and oddly enough the entire rest of the day
is free for me. Do you all tend to go to Plenary?
Sent from my iPad
--
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Mob: +31 651347657 | Skype: cdr-80 | PGP Key ID: 0xDE7BB2F5
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https://lists.sunet.se/listinfo/satosa-dev On May 30, 2017, at 12:07, Ioannis Kakavas
<ikakavas at noc.grnet.gr> wrote:
Hi Heather,
Great idea. I would prefer sometime in the 9.00-10.30 session but I don't really
mind if any other time is more appropriate.
Ioannis
-------- Original Message --------
From: heather flanagan <hlflanagan at gmail.com>
Sent: Tue May 30 12:00:20 GMT+02:00 2017
To: satosa-dev at lists.sunet.se
Subject: [Satosa-dev] Satosa governance meeting at TNC?
Hi all,
How appropriate that we are back in Austria, which is where we last had serious
conversations about Satosa governance! Because we had a few actions out of that earlier
meeting that we need to follow up on.
Governance questions for Satosa:
* IPR needs to be sorted out (who will hold it?)
* CLAs need to be in place
* Re-license if required
Since many of the folks from the last meeting are here, how about finding a few minutes
to meet on the above? Prioritization to the IPR question (since it is top of the list, and
the other things fall from it).
What time(s) do people have available tomorrow (Wednesday)?
-Heather
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11:46 a.m.
New subject: Notes (was Re: Satosa governance meeting at TNC?)
Attendees:
Leif, Roland, Scott, Benn, Niels, Rainer, Hans, Ken, Ioannis, Nick, Pål,
Heather
Question: should we consider pySAML, pyff, and Satosa all together? what
about other Python-based identity tools? Yes definitely for pyff and
Satosa. Others to be discussed based on levels of community use.
Where should the code be hosted? Options discussed include Internet2,
Apereo, Apache Foundation, Commons Conservancy (previously Greenhouse),
etc. Some of these charge an overhead fee from 7%-20% (if any money is
changing hands). Note that some of these cannot handle money/donations
(e.g., Internet2, Apache Foundation)
Group generally prefers Commons Conservancy
(https://commonsconservancy.org/). Need to do due diligence on reviewing
procedures, esp. from US gov’t (NIAID). Benn will take the action item
to work with Chris Whalen. Niels to work with Ann to make sure GEANT is
not surprised by it. Leif and Niels to contact to Commons Conservancy.
Steps
1. Benn to talk to Chris Whalen, Nick Roy re: Commons Conservancy rules
2. Niels to talk to Ann to make sure GÉANT is on board with this move
3. Leif and Niels to contact Commons Conservancy
4. Leif to set up mailing list (appropriately branded = idpy.org)
5. Leif and Niels to draft charter
6. Announcement asking for volunteers to join the board to be sent to
the appropriate lists
3:02 p.m.
New subject: Notes (was Re: Satosa governance meeting at TNC?)
On 5/31/17 1:46 PM, Heather Flanagan wrote:
Where should the code be hosted? Options discussed
include Internet2,
Apereo, Apache Foundation, Commons Conservancy (previously Greenhouse),
etc.
The other two I was thinking of are the Software Freedom Conservancy and
Software in the Public Interest. Both primarily operate as Financial
homes, not IPR homes.
Some of these charge an overhead fee from 7%-20% (if
any money is
changing hands). Note that some of these cannot handle money/donations
(e.g., Internet2, Apache Foundation)
Not that I think it matters for us at the moment, but it appears CC
cannot handle money either:
"(by design) the foundation cannot hold money, and is even
statutorily forbidden to create a bank account (which
means there is no position of chancellor in the Board of the
foundation (there is no need for such a position)."
https://commonsconservancy.org/about/
I don't think I2 is specifically prevented from handling money (quite
the opposite: TIER), but rather there are international complications
that make it less feasible.
More importantly, so far I have only found references to a CLA like
document, but not the actual document itself (part of the "legal
documents whitelist" which is supposed to be public but that I can't
find anywhere). I suspect this will be the major point of consideration,
as it will need specific language for a US contributor.
CC appears to use "Graduation" to mean "leave the Conservancy",
typically in the context of "they can reach a point at which it makes
sense to establish a dedicated legal entity as a new host
organisation". This is unfortunate (because we don't need more
unsustainable independent IPR holding foundations) and confusing
(because Apache and Apereo use this term to refer to exiting the process
of incubation and becoming a full project under the umbrella).
More generally, there's almost a difference in intent between
Apache/Apereo and CC. The former have specific guidance and procedures
to help a project get itself into shape, with the intention of being a
long term home. While CC doesn't explicitly prevent that, it doesn't
appear to have sufficiently rigorous guidance, either.
I guess I can ask about this stuff during tomorrow's session.
I've only glanced through the documents, so I'm sure I'll have more
comments later.
Thanks,
-Benn-
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